{"id":1096,"date":"2018-10-02T17:08:59","date_gmt":"2018-10-02T17:08:59","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/words.deviating.net\/?p=1096"},"modified":"2025-06-26T20:49:51","modified_gmt":"2025-06-26T20:49:51","slug":"answering-the-i-love-what-you-do-how-can-i-do-it-too-question","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/words.deviating.net\/?p=1096","title":{"rendered":"Answering the &#8220;I love what you do&#8230; how can I do it, too?&#8221; question"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>I keep my DMs open and my email address is public.\u00a0 This, plus the fact that I&#8217;m a recognizable face at conferences and generally like to answer folks&#8217; questions means that I field a lot of inquiries&#8230; particularly about the hacker community and the world of physical security.<\/p>\n<p>While I always want to give each person who reaches out an individual and specific answer unique to them, a recent utter flurry of contacts (due to a bout of mainstream press and wider attention) has made it harder to keep up with my inbox.\u00a0 Consequently, I&#8217;m going to try posting something here.\u00a0 It will effectively be an amalgam of various answers I&#8217;ve written to folk in the past week or more.\u00a0 Some people have been asking about their own career path and job prospects.\u00a0 Others have found that my explanation of security flaws hits home for them because they see these vulnerabilities in their own work environments and want to share this news with others.\u00a0 Other folk simply want to know how to best apply their limited resources in a way that can lead to a more satisfying and interesting vocation or hobby.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>At the risk of grossly over-simplifying things, I&#8217;m going to paraphrase this matter as&#8230;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Question: &#8220;I think what you do is awesome.\u00a0 How can I do that sort of thing, too?&#8221;<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Again, while I recognize that a one-size-fits all answer isn&#8217;t ideal, this is my best shot at responding to the above.\u00a0 We&#8217;ll call it the &#8220;one-size-fits-most&#8221; answer.\u00a0 <em>We are close to Halloween costume shopping season, after all!<\/em><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Answer: <\/strong>Hey! \u00a0Thanks for reaching out!\u00a0 My answer will be 100% honest, but I hope very much that it doesn&#8217;t come across as disingenuous or self-serving&#8230; it&#8217;s a very tricky subject, and far too often companies don\u2019t understand or value this kind of knowledge and skill set properly.<\/p>\n<p>Far and away, the primary answer I have to give folk is one that is simple and also a hurdle at the same time:\u00a0 training. \u00a0I am not one to kneel at the altar of Certifications for their own sake, however if someone has taken the time to successfully complete training courses and pass exams, etc, then that shows current as well as future employers that this individual values professional development and wants to apply their skills.<\/p>\n<p>If you have an employer and you think they can possibly help support your education and would send you to training, that\u2019s great.\u00a0 If your firm is reluctant, however, or does not exactly understand the value of this kind of knowledge or how to leverage it properly, that\u2019s more difficult.\u00a0 If you are seeing security flaws in your own office or company facilities and want to report it\u2026 I urge caution.\u00a0 Advice of this nature coming from <em>internal<\/em> voices sometimes is found to be unwelcome. \u00a0It might be best if you were to bring up some of the evidence put forth in perhaps some of my talks\u2026<\/p>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"Deviant Ollam - I&#039;ll Let Myself In Tactics of Physical Pentesters B-sides Orlando 2017\" width=\"510\" height=\"287\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/Rctzi66kCX4?feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share\" referrerpolicy=\"strict-origin-when-cross-origin\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"You\u2019re Probably Not Red Teaming... And Usually I\u2019m Not, Either [SANS ICS 2018]\" width=\"510\" height=\"287\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/mj2iSdBw4-0?feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share\" referrerpolicy=\"strict-origin-when-cross-origin\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"How Threats Are Slipping In the Back Door - SANS ICS Security Summit 2017\" width=\"510\" height=\"287\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/qg-zK2zv4ng?feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share\" referrerpolicy=\"strict-origin-when-cross-origin\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p>\u2026and if you get any traction with any of those presentations (don&#8217;t overwhelm folk, just see if anyone watches or nods.\u00a0 You can even queue up a clip in the middle and then let it play, etc) then you can suggest taking training.\u00a0 If it feels like that may still result in a shrug, then suggest the company pursue advice from outside consultation.\u00a0 Again, I know this sounds self-serving since this is one feature of my own firm\u2019s work.\u00a0 Still, if you value this kind of insight and want to see your company\u2019s security posture improved, reaching out to us or to one of the handful of other businesses who are experts in this space may be a solid choice. \u00a0Doing so in a way where you serve as a point-of-contact overseeing a consulting task as opposed to the person doing it allows you to get credit for taking the initiative and generating the findings and also insulates you from the risk of being the scapegoat if people don&#8217;t like what&#8217;s learned during testing.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>The tongue-in-cheek answer I tend to give during interviews and the like regarding &#8220;how did you get your start doing this sort of thing?&#8221; has always been, &#8220;I had a few of the right friends and a few of the wrong friends.&#8221;\u00a0 It&#8217;s a good line.\u00a0 It&#8217;s a snappy, easy delivery and makes for the kind of amusing copy that writers and editors like.\u00a0 It&#8217;s also truthful, albeit an over-simplification.<\/p>\n<p>If I didn&#8217;t have friends who were urban explorers and hackers with less respect for official rules and boundaries growing up, I might have not gotten interested in these kinds of skills myself.\u00a0 From the very beginning I&#8217;ve considered Barry Wels (and the other Hippies from Hell) a tremendous inspiration and source of knowledge.\u00a0 And I have to thank Mike Glasser for being so welcoming and willing to teach me (and for pulling me on stage at an early DEF CON during the single-digit years) when i was just getting a feel for lockpicking.\u00a0 People who were willing to teach, including teaching things that were often considered forbidden knowledge, was instrumental to me.\u00a0\u00a0 Business owners who were willing to give me opportunities to participate in their work or in their training sessions if I would volunteer my time to assist or do other work that needed to be done on the side were also a benefit.\u00a0 If you&#8217;re having trouble determining who among this cast of characters were the &#8220;right&#8221; versus the &#8220;wrong&#8221; people to know&#8230; you&#8217;re on the right track.\u00a0 In truth, it&#8217;s a broad mix of voices from many diverse sources who contributed to me turning out like this.<\/p>\n<p>(I will say that some of the &#8220;wrong&#8221; people were simply individuals and companies who are just woefully bad at business and folk who wouldn&#8217;t do emotional labor&#8230; Watching these persons and institutions flounder around as they failed to maintain healthy business relationships was also quite edifying, albeit disappointing.\u00a0 But it&#8217;s a simple truth that if you can&#8217;t communicate well with others and aren&#8217;t willing to check your ego at the door and satisfy the real needs of those around you &#8212; as opposed to what you perceive they should need &#8212; then you&#8217;re going to have a Bad Time<span class=\"ILfuVd\">&#x2122;<\/span> no matter what you try doing, business included.)<\/p>\n<p>My life and current career (10 years in this field, as you see me now) are the product of at least the <em>previous<\/em> 10 years before that (a decade of unpaid or nearly-unpaid education, volunteering, and self-development while I was working to support myself via other means.)\u00a0 I have been a student at Black Hat, SANS, Lockmasters, and more.\u00a0 I double-majored in college when I returned to school later in life and hold a Bachelor of Science.\u00a0 I hold a range of recognized certifications.\u00a0 I have spoken over 200 times to audiences who were public, corporate, government, and military.\u00a0 I have published books in my field.\u00a0 And I still try to take at least one training course every year, even if it&#8217;s only tangentially related to my vocation.<\/p>\n<p>Are all of these above steps <strong>necessary<\/strong> for someone to achieve success?\u00a0 No.\u00a0 Not a single one of them is a &#8220;do this or forever abandon your hopes of this career&#8221; point.\u00a0 But every last one of them has played <em>some part<\/em> in all of the opportunities I&#8217;ve had and continue to have.\u00a0 Choose from the above list (or see the TL:DR below) and try your best at such forms of self-improvement as you can handle.\u00a0 That is the path to your own success.\u00a0 There is no shortcut.\u00a0 (But there are some poorly-locked doors along the way, and slipping by such obstacles is the kind of thing that <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/tarah\">Tarah<\/a> detailed to a great degree <a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Women-Tech-Practical-Inspiring-Stories\/dp\/1632171406\">in her own book<\/a>.\u00a0 Which I strongly recommend, no matter your age, gender, or industry.)<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>So\u2026<\/p>\n<p><strong>For companies:<\/strong> Train your employees, ideally once per year.\u00a0 Allow them to have a say in what training options they have.\u00a0 Hire outside experts as needed.<\/p>\n<p><strong>For individuals:<\/strong> Seek out training, either paid by your employer or save up and do it out-of-pocket yourself (tips here include asking if conferences have volunteer programs for reduced or zero tuition and also asking trainers if they ever operate classes direct to the public as opposed to through intermediaries)<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>This may not sound 100% fair, particularly if you already have a significantly developed skill set.\u00a0 But the world is full of folk with the same hunger and same good personality as you\u2026 even if you consider the result of training to be \u201cjust a piece of paper\u201d it remains, in the business world, an important designator that can set you apart from many other candidates who are seeking the same opportunities you are seeking.<\/p>\n<p>I have taken professional training just about every other year (sometimes more frequently) throughout the past decade or more via a variety of recognized and established institutions as well as smaller outfits, etc.<\/p>\n<p><strong>The benefit to me:<\/strong> I\u2019ve managed to sharpen existing skills and also acquire new ones.\u00a0 I\u2019ve improved my own teaching style by learning what to do (and, far more often, what I\u2019m glad I *don\u2019t* do) in front of my own students<\/p>\n<p><strong>The benefit to my employers\/clients\/etc:<\/strong> They can quickly assess the fact that I most likely know what I\u2019m talking about.\u00a0 They have a way of sorting me versus other potential folk with whom they might engage.\u00a0 I don\u2019t begrudge them for using the fastest and most available tools to make these kinds of decisions.\u00a0 We\u2019re all busy and we want to maximize the impact of our limited resources, that includes time.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Make the most of your time\u2026 get training where you can and change minds when you can. \u00a0Call in outsider help when necessary.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Hope that helps, and good luck!<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I keep my DMs open and my email address is public.\u00a0 This, plus the fact that I&#8217;m a recognizable face at conferences and generally like to answer folks&#8217; 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